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July 17, 2008

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SFRJ Contractor

In 1986 there were 4 five star (*****) hotels in Baghdad.
My father told me that yesterday, i can only remember Palestine and Sheraton.
There was a whole load of foreigners then, just they didn't carry guns but shovels and pikes. They didn't drive tanks but bulldozers, excavators and loaders. British, German, French were engineers, Russians, SFRJ and Chinese contractors, in order of prestige and precedence. Iraq was still at war with Iran. Christians, Sunnis and Shiites held together by means of cudgel, in a secular state, nevertheless not shooting each other. Meditate on knowledge here acquired.

David

James,
I feel your pain, bro.
I have many relatives and friends who have or are serving our country in the military. I would, but am too old. The day I was to be enlisted, the Vietnam War officially was ended. You cannot let the mindless idiocy of these fools, who often seem to outnumber us, cloud your purpose. Never let them get the upper hand, or cause you to become so upset that you make a big mistake. That is just what they want. I love you, man. You are what embodies the spirit of the USA

batguano101

Your story evoked emotion in the wrong direction and got reaction in the comments.

The Iraqi government is not using oil revenues to repair the infrastructure of the country.

The hotel most probably is built through a US Embassy contract with a corporation using the corporation's own money to supply a need for travelers to the green zone.

The hotel is building business infrastructure, and does contribute to the economy of Iraq and all the people.

The article expresses the frustration of failure of the Iraq government to restore electricity and other basic services.

The frustration is misdirected at the hotel because it is in the green zone where the Iraqi government is not doing the most basic work toward rebuilding the nation.

Everyone is right and everyone is wrong.

The focus of frustration with the failure to rebuild power plants and infrastructure is aimed at the opulence of the hotel while the country suffers, not the specifics of who is having the hotel built, with who's funds, or what it will contribute.

Every one is wrong and everyone is right in the discussion.

Again, pick examples that point out the exact cause(s) of failure to rebuild first the power plants, and you will be more effective.

Diogenes

James-- you may have done 3 tours, but you sure as hell didn't live in Shoula, WHICH WAS THE SUBJECT OF LAITH'S POST!!!!! Even Bush&Cheney dropped the "where's all the GOOD news, you Liberal Media traitors?" when the body counts kept rising and even they couldn't ignore the fact that we'd touched off a civil war.
Now violence is way down because of the Surge. That's good news by anyone's standards, and if you haven't seen that reported in the 'liberal media' then you can't read any better than you can think.
So you did 3 tours? Great. My great-nephew did two, my cousin did two (and he's waiting to see if he's going to do another), and my friend's daughter-in-law is in Afganistan (she was in the Guard, they told her if she went Army, she'd do her tour in Texas. Guess what?) None of them are "libberuls" or Democrats and NOT ONE gave me any story about how great things were over there. The last ones back told me how violence had dropped (once again, thank God and the Surge), but they talked a lot more about the buddies they left there and how they worried that some of them wouldn't be coming back.
So when someone like YOU gets on a comment page and tells AN IRAQI WHO LIVES IN BAGHDAD AND IS WRITING ABOUT THINGS HE SEES EVERY DAY that he's a "liberal idiot" because he's telling you something you don't want to hear-- well, you need to do a 4th tour, I guess. In the Shoula neighborhood. Just for a week, though, just like Laith said. Then you can tell us how wrong he is.

Hey, here's an idea: when you get there and you have to choose between running your refrigerator or your air conditioner for the 5 hours a day you get, why don't you go down to the power plant, point your finger at it, and chant "LIBERAL, LIBERAL, LIBERAL, BAD!!" until it runs at full capacity?

Better yet, just chant "RONNIE REAGAN, RONNIE REAGAN, RONNIE, RONNIE, REAGAN REAGAN" until that 5-star hotel builds itself. Then you can move out of Shoula into one of those luxury suites, if there's a vacancy. Don't count on it, though-- full occupancy from Day One, I'll bet.

So get busy, James. Hey, you Mighty Conservatives can probably chant the damn thing into existence from over here! Maybe do the power plants first, though.

Until then, STFU. Or maybe get a brain transplant.

Sorry, Laith. I won't apologize for somebody like James, but people like him have f*cked up your country and mine too. And he's right about one thing, anyway: it's the fault of 'cowardly liberals' that won't call out Conservative Morons like him when they claim that their opinions are facts.

James

YOU LIBERALS ARE PURE IDIOTS! I did 3 Tours of Duty in Iraq.I WAS THERE.I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.You spineless,gutless liberals NEVER report on the REAL PROGRESS that is being made in Iraq.We have basically been rebuilding the entire infrastructure from the ground up,while dealing with corrupt Iraqi officials,terrorists,and other governments (Iran) that are working hard every day to take away the gains we have been working so hard to attain.IT TAKES TIME,LIBERALS.The Hotel was built to show that Iraq is making headway to get back to a REAL Commerce-generating system,,and it starts in Baghdad.Lets not mistake what President Bush has been doing with efforts of those like Bill Clinton,who had Osama Bin Laden handed to Him on a silver platter,and let Him go so he would not hurt the feelings of the poor muslim world.You scumbag coward liberals infuriate Me

James

YOU LIBERALS ARE PURE IDIOTS! I did 3 Tours of Duty in Iraq.I WAS THERE.I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.You spineless,gutless liberals NEVER report on the REAL PROGRESS that is being made in Iraq.We have basically been rebuilding the entire infrastructure from the ground up,while dealing with corrupt Iraqi officials,terrorists,and other governments (Iran) that are working hard every day to take away the gains we have been working so hard to attain.IT TAKES TIME,LIBERALS.The Hotel was built to show that Iraq is making headway to get back to a REAL Commerce-generating system,,and it starts in Baghdad.Lets not mistake what President Bush has been doing with efforts of those like Bill Clinton,who had Osama Bin Laden handed to Him on a silver platter,and let Him go so he would not hurt the feelings of the poor muslim world.You scumbag coward liberals infuriate Me

Shelly T.

What hotel is it, who is it for, and who paid for it? It's true that some specifics would help. I understand your outrage, but I could talk about this to people and we could do some investigation into this if I had some more information. I have several blogs and do a podcast so I could broadcast this if you want. The American people should know about what is taking place in Iraq and how the people are reacting to it.

batguano101

Fuzzy.

Did the Iraq government pay for the hotel?

Did the US government pay for the hotel?

No question your point of priorities is good, it is not clear who had the hotel built and who paid for it, or is it that a private corporation invested their own money based on a contract and the number of people who travel to the green zone.

Until you ask the particulars of this hotel you are not making a specific point with the story.

The population is suffering and the money of the oil sales is not being used to repair the country.

Get specific, then you get specific results from writing.

Southern Beale

I'm so sorry. This is classic Bush Administration "let the free hand of the market roam unfettered across the land" problem solving.

It hasn't worked in America any more than it will work in Iraq. Again, I am so sorry.

Laura

With short videos uploaded to youtube that allow bloggers to embed, intrepid journalists could help many people "live" in Shoula through their eyes and hearts. I often think if people saw --not just read--what a month's rations looks like they would be astounded.

This is the Shock Doctrine come to beset Iraq. If its course is shorter than usual, it will be due to writers like you and your colleagues, Laith. Thanks for all you do. Please stay safe.

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